Allowing the same birds to be flown NBRC Item 2022-01
When flying two 11 or 20 bird kits, should the birds flown in the first 11 or 20 bird
kit be allowed to be flown again in the second 11 or 20 bird kit?
From:
001.04A flyer may enter a maximum of two kits. Any two kits flown in the same
competition, either the 11-bird or the 20-bird competition, must be composed of
completely different birds. Flying any of the same birds in two kits that are flown
in the same 11-bird or 20-bird venue will result in the flyer being disqualified.
However, the same birds may be flown in two different kits that are entered and
flown, one in each of the 11-bird and 20-bird competitions without
disqualification. In his discretion, the judge may confirm the composition of the
kits by any means he deems appropriate under the circumstances
To:
001.04A flyer may enter a maximum of two kits. Any two kits flown in the same
competition, either the 11-bird or the 20-bird competition, may be composed of
the same birds however, the birds must land and trap before being re-released. In
his discretion, the judge may confirm the composition of the kits by any means
he deems appropriate under the circumstances. Judges are cautioned to avoid
handling the pigeons entered in competition prior to their being liberated.
Competitors that refuse to grant visual access and proximity to the kit boxes by
the Regional Director and Judge for the purposes of validating when rollers or
kits have landed, will not be scored and the kits will be disqualified.
Results: 11-yes, 10-no
Acceptance: February 3, 2022
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NBRC National Championship Fly Official 11-Bird Competition(Rule 5,
Out-Birds) reads as follows:
5) Out-Birds. Scoring shall be suspended but timing shall continue if 2 or more birds
are out. Although it cannot score while apart from the kit, a pigeon shall not be
considered out if it is returning directly from a roll, has been separated by extreme
weather, or has been chased off by a bird of prey, even if the pigeon lands or is
captured.
It is time to vote on option 1 or 2 below:
- Scoring should continue and only judge the largest kit remaining.
or - Scoring should completely stop if more than 2 birds are out.
clarify the 11-bird out bird scoring rule. The vote total is as follows: - 15 votes – Scoring should continue and only judge the largest kit remaining.
- 1 vote– Scoring should completely stop if more than 2 birds are out.
The wording “Scoring should continue and only judge the largest kit remaining” will be
added to theNBRC National Championship Fly Official 11-Bird Competition(Rule 5,
Out-Birds)
From Tom Monson, NBRC Legal Council
Dan:
I just reviewed the 11-bird fly rules as they appear on page 55 of the May-June
2021 Bulletin.
Here’s my view of the matter: It is true that, to amend the fly competition rules,
the Club has to jump through multiple hoops. This procedure was thought to limit
non-flyer officers and/or members messing around with the rules.
Arguably, you are not amending the 11-bird fly rules by adding this language. You
are clarifying Rule 5 on Out-Birds. To accomplish this without running afoul of the
rule change process, I would insert the language below at the end of Rule 5:
“(Clarification: where pigeons are chased off by a BOP with no time-out, scoring
continues, judging only the largest kit remaining.)”
To emphasize that this is merely a clarification, it helps to add the language by
putting it in parentheses and using the word, “Clarification.”)
I don’t see this as a rule “change” because any other interpretation is illogical
under the rules. Clearly, under the rules, out birds chased out by BOP with no
time-out:
(1) do not prevent the remaining birds in the kit from being judged;
(2) the birds out from the kit cannot score: and
(3) if more than one kit remains after the scattering, a judge should not be
expected to train his eyes on two or more tiny kits flying in different directions.
These are the rules for judging an 11-bird kit, not for judging multiple tiny kits at
the same time.
If a flyer objects to this outcome, his remedy is to call time-out. The rules cannot
bail everyone out from every potential problem.
It appears that the Executive Committee has voted in favor of the clarification.
Executive Committee decisions require (a) a quorum, and (b) majority vote.
When competition judges and participants request guidance from the
Clubinterpretingthe Club’sexistingfly rules, it’s the officers’ job to help them out.
That’s what you’re doing. I don’t see this as a rule change.
Tom.
Vote failed for lack of a quorum.
Vote retaken: - 21 votes – Scoring should continue and only judge the largest kit remaining.
- 1 vote – Scoring should completely stop if more than 2 birds are out.
Acceptance: 4/5/202216 members did not vote.
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Acceptance:4/23/2022 19 – yes, 2 -no 18 members did not vote.
Quorum met
NBRC EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ACTIONS ON MEMBER BEHAVIOR
As you will see on voting results on the next few pages the NBRC Executive
Committee
unfortunately had to take action on 2 of our members for violating our
bylaws/rules.
The first case involved violation of the NBRC Fly Policy (10) Integrity- The judge
shall NOT
score anything that does not meet his standard for adequate quality and depth or
duration of the
performance. This competition is for ROLLERS and not tumblers! Roller flying is
a subjective sport and the judge may have to make allowances for extraordinary
circumstances.
In any case, the judge’s decision is final and anyone verbally or physically
attacking the judge will be disqualified from the fly and may be banned from
future NBRC events. During Region 8C’s region qualifying fly a incident occurred
between the Judge and member Billy Dyer. Billy became upset with happenings
on the fly and became verbally abusive towards the Judge, as well as ended up
taking the score pad that had all the current results on it and refusing to return it
or copies of the scores to the Judge. RD Ken Billings was able to retrieve
the score pad from Billy the following day. A formal complaint was filed and a
Investigating Committee was assigned by President Dan Galarza. After the
investigation was complete the Committee felt these actions were in violation of
the rules and it was presented to the Executive Committee for options to vote on
for action taken. The majority voted for suspension of Billy and disqualification
from this year’s fly. The voting results are on the next few pages.
The second case involved violation of NBRC Bylaw Section 2- Members will at all
times conduct themselves in a gentlemanly and sportsman-like manner and
uphold the positive public image of the NBRC and the pigeon hobby, in general.
Penalties for misconduct, as determined by the NBRC Executive Committee, may
result in a member being suspended or expelled from the club. At the AARC Lawn
Show an incident occurred in which NBRC member George Aldana was the
winning bidder on 2 young birds from the show auction. Upon winning the birds
George went to the show cage they were in and took each bird out and proceeded
to pull each bird’s head off and throw them on the ground. As he walked away he
said “Garbage”. His actions were done in front of all the show participants,
including children. This was also captured on video that was posted on social
networks. Formal complaints were received and again an Investigations
committee was formed. The Committee determined George’s actions were in
violation of NBRC bylaws and this was presented to the Executive Committee
with options on actions to be taken. The committee voted to suspend George
from the club. Results of the vote are on the following pages. 2 unfortunate
situations that have impacted our club and members negatively, including the 2
members suspended. Remember this is a hobby and should be kept fun, whether
competing or just attending an event. More importantly we need to treat each
other and the hobby with respect. Regardless to our background, beliefs,
hobbies, etc. respect is something involved at any level.
Billy Dyer vote:
Voting Tabulation Conducted by Dwayne White – NBRC Executive Committee
Facilitator
Vote Result: The item passed the committee by a vote of 21-1. 16 Members did
not vote. Acceptance Date: 04-05-22
George Aldana Vote:
Totals Votes Cast A (4) 3 year suspension – B (22) 5 year suspension – C (8) life =
34 Total Votes 3 Members did not vote.
Vote Result: Item “B” passed by the committee by a vote of 22. Acceptance Date:
06-28-22
Both members must submit a written apology to the NBRC President
that the EC must approve and be printed in the NBRC Bulletin before
being accepted back as a member of the NBRC upon their suspension
expiring